Was a member approx. 2 months prior to this review.
Pros:
Big $15 discount joining through TBP/PU.
No DRM, download restrictions, pre checked cross selling, or dirty tricks.
No regional discrimination.
Join through reputable billing agent (Epoch).
Genuine network, each site has its own identity.
Streaming available.
Original content that is individual and a little outside the usual cookie cutter mass produced porn.
Cons:
Little ethnic or size diversity.
Awful photography, camerawork, and lighting.
Videos are so unbelievably long they have to be cut up into 4-6 (sometimes more) 25 minutes or longer segments. That would be okay if it was action all the way, but it is most definitely not. It could simply be edited down to one 30 minute clip. If they did that, they wouldn't get to say they had 398 scenes instead of 80.
When the cameraman finally does focus on someone having sex, it is far too often in gynaeclogical closeups where all you see is two groins. Not only that, there is an inability to keep the camera still.
There is only one download option for WindowsXP and Vista, and one download option for the pics.
Customer sevice was awful. As reported in a forum post, I was locked out of the site for a while due to possible hacking of the membership password. I received no answer to four emails sent over 24 hours asking why, and was only reinstated after Epoch intervened.
Bottom Line:
Videos 1024x576 and 768x576
Pics 768x1152 768x1024 768x1039 1066x1600
There are supposed to be various mobile formats available. I don't use them but the following are listed - ipad/ipad2, iphone4, iphone3/ipod, Android.
This is a clone of Student Sex Parties available through Chicki Porn, the difference being you get extra sites through WTF and a $15 discount from joining through TBP/PU.
I found streaming facilities to be reasonable. Here in the UK streaming in the afternoon is often very difficult.
Models are mostly all the same type, namely young and thin. If you are looking for ethnic, size, or age diversity, you'll be out of luck.
Navigation is a little irritating. If you go to "view all scenes from College Fuck Parties," then click on several clips from the same video, there is no way back to the College Fuck Parties home page, without going back to the WTF Pass home page, then clicking on College Fuck Parties. You have to click several back buttons until you get back, or go to WTF Sites. In fact WTF Sites is better than the rather poorly laid out WTF home page.
It's a shame some great models are thrown away due to awful amateur camerawork and photography. You would think being a porn cameraman isn't that hard. It doesn't have to be spot on perfect, as they aren't working for the likes of Terrence Malick, Stanley Kubrick, or Jean Renoir, and never will, mainly because two of them are dead. All you have to do is point the camera in the general direction of the couple, or couples having sex. That's it, that's the job.
Maybe they are trying to make it look like a home movie, but realistically we all know these are professional porn stars. It's a shame because the performers are really good looking, and there is genuine group sex action. I just get the feeling the bits the cameraman has missed out while focussing on the floor, wall, ceiling, or shoes, are all the best bits. Thirty minutes of action with two hours padding, then the cameraman misses all the best bits, or the lighting is so bad, you have to squint to see what is going on.
Lighting seems to be one of the problems across the whole WTF network. For instance there is a video and photo set of one beautiful girl taken outside, where the sun's shadow across railings completely ruins the whole thing. It was like some 9 year old's first video or photo attempt.
The non porn bits take up hours of time. Then finally finally something happens, they are getting their kit off and it's time to wake up. Just as they are about to have sex, for some inexplicable reason the cameraman moves on to show the floor. Very video verite. If there are two or three couples indulging in group sex, the cameraman doesn't know where to go, so focuses on the wall instead, or on another couple who aren't doing anything.
To give you an idea of the padding and rubbish bits, you could watch three episodes of CSI (minus the adverts) in the time it takes to watch all the rubbish. Or to put it another way, think of the padding as the CSI episodes, and the adverts as the quality bits. That's how frustrating and annoying the episodes are.
As a bystander and observer my immediate feelings are to shout at the cameraman "oi you, there are people having sex over there...yes over there....NO, over THERE you fecking idiot, not here!"
Two people having sex, no that's not very interesting, let's have a look at the floor. Even when there is only one couple having sex and nothing else going on, the cameraman cannot keep the camera still, it is beyond his ability. He HAS to move it, he cannot keep his camera pointed in the general direction of two people having sex for more then two seconds. Two seconds, that's it, moving on, nothing to see here, must be something more interesting over there, if not, move camera to side, up and down, jump up and down, or tip diagonally, then back again.
The score of 78 is for basically remembering to remove the lens cap, and for pointing the camera in the right direction some of the time, and for the models.
Every network has its idiosyncracies. One of the annoying ones here is that for some reason the male performers continually pummel and pull the pussies of their female performers as though they were unblocking a sink. Are we supposed to think this is what female partners really find sexy? Only if you're 14, and at that age you're supposed to be too young to view this sort of thing.
Some of the orgies inside are badly lit, but even those on the outside quite often get it wrong. Many times dark shadows across the pics spoil the view. That's okay if you're Ridley Scott.
It's worth a membership for one month, due to the reasonably original, non massed produced material, and for the beautiful, newish porn models. It could have been so so much better.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
I guess I have to start with the obvious, and that is the quantity of the material almost defies belief.
No download restrictions.
There are so many videos, this site in effect, gives you a free preview of anything you wish. It also gives you a chance to check out some videos from producers you haven't tried before.
The way the downloading section is set up is very good. It is perfect for knowing what section or sections of a video you want to download. It would be perfect for downloading from any category on any site, that has nothing to do with porn. The way the stills are set out makes it so easy. I love the simplicity of the downolading too.
They do break up the categories for you, and you can view the videos depending on date or popularity, which is handy. I like the look and way things are set out. Considering the volume of material I think it's about as simple and friendly a system as you could have,
Cons:
There is very little worthwhile fetish material. There are one or two interesting items, but that's about it.
There are very few videos from genuine independents. It all looks the same, even though they have videos from a great number of producers. There are one or two exceptions to this, but 95 per cent could all be from the same company.
As with most teen and amateur stuff, it starts off with the usual feigned surprise or naive innocent looks, to suggest they've never done anything like this before, and within 2 minutes they're at it as though all they've done for the last 10 years is have sex on camera. I strongly suspect that some of them may not be trainee rocket scientists or brain surgeons.
Digging out the gems from so much material can be time consuming.
No photos. Not so good if you like downloading pics.
Their highest "DVD" bit rate is really only average.
Ridiculously low download speeds between 4(!)kb/sec and 70 kb/sec.
Bottom Line:
Remember when you were a kid, and you dreamed of owning a sweet shop. Video Box is that sweet shop. I've never grown tired of chocolate or sweets, and I've never got tired of porn.
There is so much on here, that it's a little mean spirited to suggest it's time consuming trying to dig out the gems. It can sometimes be fun to just browse. You can stumble upon something that you maybe wouldn't have bothered with. The good thing is, it's so cheap you can download 10 worthless videos, and have wasted no money at all. It means you can virtually try out stuff for free. If your taste is for vanilla, straight sex videos, there is enough here to keep you satisfied for just about the rest of your life.
The big weakness for me, is the lack of fetish material, but then when you look at the price, it's hardly surprising. It is a negative, but realistically, if this site had newer videos, and more specialised categories, the price would be triple what it is. But yes, this is the big weakness - too much old stuff, and too much of the same thing, with little variation. It's like a warehouse of cheap videos.
I linked to Video Box from Paysite Discounts, which means $3 off the $17.95 price. I'm surprised TBP don't have this offer, given how popular Video Box is with their people.
I don't wish to be too negative with the negatives, or too positive with the positives, but I have tried to be objective. I know Video Box is very popular with this site. Rightly so. I have to say I think it's still good value. The amount of very good straight sex videos, arranged in a way so that they are easy to download, from a well set out customer oriented site, means I would recommend this to anyone as their very first porn site.
I am not going to tilt too far into the negative because of VERY slow download speeds for me. I cancelled my subscription a few hours after joining because the download speed is so painfully slow I have to be very selective what I download. This undermines the advantage of the enormous amount of material there is on there. I know some of you do have problems with download speed where others have no problems at all.
I will just add that I was down to 4kb/sec on some newer videos, but the speed on the older videos is between 30-70 kb/sec. This may be what the problem is. The newer more popular videos are being downloaded by more people, therefore the speeds are slower. I'll leave it to you tech boffins to comment on that. In fact after attempting to download a number of videos and monitoring the speed, I found nearly all the newer ones were much slower than the older ones.
I wont mark down too much, because the speed may just be my problem. I have never had speeds as slow as this before on any site though. I know this review wont go down to well at TBP because you all love Video Box. It's just what I have found.
As a late edit - I have found some speeds on older videos of up to 300kb/sec. That is some variation! 4kb/sec-300kb/sec
This has finally been resolved thanks to my bank, who have credited the money back to my account and blacklisted Segpay. I wont be using that payment processor again, but if I ever wanted to, I would have to approach the bank to de-blacklist them! Don't think I'll be doing that.
The two most annoying things from this are, it will be a long time before I hand over credit card details to any porn site again, and I was never informed I was signed up to the cam site in the first place.
Mostly I get informed if I'm signed up to these "free" sites, and cancel the minute I receive the mail, just in case. If I had been notified I could have done the same for this organisation.
Unsurprisingly I suppose, I didn't receive my refund. It was supposed to have been sent, but of course they can't understand why I haven't received it.
I mailed Segpay with the following message "Dear Customer Service,
This money has still not arrived. If it does not arrive tomorrow I shall presume it has been stolen and notify the bank and Porn Users accordingly. It looks as though you had absolutely no intent of issuing a refund for money that was stolen from me. Stolen because you and your associates gave my details plus password to a separate company which presumably allowed a hacker access to my debit card. Or does this happen all the time because it is good for business, as people are unwilling to complain? Well I certainly am. I shall pursue this to the end one way or another, even if I have to change bank and cancel my cards, just to make a point about your company."
They replied "If the refund is not in your account until now we will make a follow up to our upper management further assistance."
I understand customer service are just flak takers for dishonest and disreputable management so I didn't say "tell "upper management" (sic) to curtail their afternoon blow job, and get off their fucking arses and do something about it." No, I just told them I have contacted my bank and lodged a complaint, which they have noted.
The bank tells me I am unlikely to receive the money if I haven't received it by now, so on Friday I can start the process of trying to get my money back.
How many thousands and tens of thousands does this happen to? Most are not going to do anything about it, so multiply 5-10 dollars times 5000 for a nice yearly little earner. You get the occasional awkward bastard like myself, but generally it pays to do what they are doing.
Exactly. Bad behaviour and questionable policies tarnish and damage the industry, because people become afraid to hand over their credit card details. But at least they eventually sorted it. I have been told the money has been refunded and will take up to 10 days to reach me.
If time is money, they had to spend a disproportionate amount of time on those few dollars, and so did I, but I was not letting it drop.
Thanks mbaya - yes, and it's not only that they shared my details and VideosZ/Bang password, it's that they also blanked me when I contacted them about the fraudulent charge, like they had never heard of anything like that happening.
From the sound of it this happens a lot, so if they had merely said "yeah this sometimes happens we'll look into it," rather than "only you can authorize a card charge, you must be responsible for the charge, no refund," I'd have been a lot less pissed off.
Hiya Ik, howya doing? Yeah at least I am supposed to get my money back, and it's only a small amount, but the whole effort really pissed me off. I had to work two hours to break down a stone wall.
I'll tell you what bugged me: when I was first contacted by Alison I got the stone wall. She said accounts are free but only you can authorize payments so you will not get a refund. It took about two hours last night to get it all sorted, and I can tell you I was bloody ANGRY.
Giving personal details to affiliates without consent is a breach of privacy, and runs a risk of something happening, as it did to me. One more thing that can be hacked and accessed. That is unacceptable in my opinion, and it means you have lost a customer. I have been a subscriber for the last three months and was happy to just let it ride for another few.
In the end, after a big continual effort (it always takes a monumental effort to get something like this sorted, and maybe that is by design) I was helped and told I would get a refund, but I should never have had to waste two hours of my life in the first place.
This is my first review or comment for several years, and sadly it isn't to commend brilliant customer service, or outstanding quality, no it is to report a fraudulent charge on my card.
I received one of those emails about congratulations you have signed up to live cams when I hadn't, because I never use them. Whenever I receive one I cancel immediately, even if they are free, because I have heard about very dodgy behaviour before on here. Those free cams sites you don't want to join, end up charging you for services you never use.
Strangely enough when I first went to live chat to close down the account that I never signed up for in the first place, they told me the account was already blocked. Then I found a mail which notified me of a charge for $6.54. I immediately cancelled Videosz, and told both Segpay and Videosz/Bang, why I was cancelling. I insisted on a refund.
Segpay have told me they are sending it to top management (lol) and will have to wait 2 days for it to be settled, but I have also heard from "Alison" at Bang, who told me the cams thing is free but you can only authorize payments yourself, so I wouldn't receive a refund, which is very strange because I never use cams sites, found myself signed up to a free cams site, and then charged for something I had never used.
I contacted my bank who told me the charge was "pending." I can only dispute the charge once it has been processed, and then it looks like I will have to cancel my card, as these people cannot be trusted. I have mailed both Segpay and Videosz/Bang to tell them what I am doing.
Look folks, I know you're in a dirty business, but you are dealing with someone who hates being ripped off or cheated. I'll happily donate $100 to charity for a worthy cause, but try to rip me off, and I don't mind in the least yelling, kicking, screaming, and giving my bank and credit card company all the gory details, purely on principal. Don't fuck with me.
Late edit addition - Now it seems there was an illegal access of my account. They managed to block most of the charges and are going to refund the rest. Alison at Bang ended up helping me, but the problem is being signed up for something you didn't want in the first place. It's one more thing to go wrong, one more organisation with your details. The end result is VideosZ/Bang and Segpay now have one customer less because of greed.
^^ Yep I'm with what graymane says. I'm not here much now, but the least I can do is drop by to congratulaute you on yet another very high quality informative review.
This is one that I almost went with over a year ago, but what put me off is the low quality resolutions, and if you get used to that high spec material, you do notice the difference.
Another great review admiral, and good investigation into the very cloudy download limit situation. Most if us hate download limits, but they're even worse when you're unclear what the download limit is.
Excellent and informative reply. This is one place I will join. The problem with the industry is scummy behaviour like pre checked cross selling and automatically charging your credit card if you press the wrong link, tarnishes everyone. Here is a very good explanation of why things turned out the way they did, which is just like life. Things don't always go the way you planned, which applies to life, love, industry, anything really.
Thanks for the info Pat. So it sounds as though this is not under new management after all? Rarely do I stay with a site for more than a month or two, and have never signed up for anything longer than a month originally. The material looks good even though it is old, and they don't seem to use scummy pre checked cross selling. Be interesting to hear if this is a standalone or whether it comes with the rest of the network.
According to Duke, this site does not come with bonus access to the No Rest Network sites, but according to the preview home page it does. Either way, it's good to see the No Rest Network out of hibernation even though it is under new management.
Another excellent review. I wasn't aware of this one until I saw your forum post. Question is - will it grow? If they update it looks to be a great site, with professionally shot material, and one that appeals to my taste. Nice find admiral.
"To be frank, pat, I really dont understand your need to raise the score for DDF, a site that in some sense tries to cheat its customers by unsecure billers and a customer support that sucks when their customers ask for help to cancel."
This we both agree on. Not that there's now a shortage of sites out there who are wiling to cheat customers. Nowadays signing up to a pay site and giving your credit card details is a highly risky affair. DDF don't deserve more than that score given the experience you could have with them.
Currently NETbilling/psnbilling is the top of the five options. Click the link. Alternatively they do have live support below those options and a "I don't know please help me," link.
Sites are currently not making it easy to cancel, which is not good, because every time I have problems it puts me off ever wanting to join a new site. Currently I cancel about three days after joining, just to make sure I have time dealing with any problems.
The trickery used nowadays is becoming harder to spot, and so nasty it's going to frighten off the porn fans who want quality over quantity and are still willing to pay for it.
Yes but my review had as many words. Thing is you can always sum up sites and networks in a few positives and negatives, while the bottom line is the feel and experience of the place. On any two sites, positives and negatives can be virtually identical, while the experience is very different.
Another accurate review in my opinion. It's such a shame this place is virtually dead, and they never showed any customer service, or need to promote, because this still has some of my favourite material, and a lot of it is 2-4 years old.
I wondered what you'd make of this one admiral. Material is rotated and the only clue nowadays to which is newer is the amount of photos. The later updates had more photos. The worst thing about this place for me is the lack of zipped photos. All those negatives - constant logging in, no customer support, no zipped photos, expensive, no updates, do add up. There's still some great stuff here though.
I put "other" because for me it's a mix of dimensions and bit rate. I suppose we all know what it looks like, it's a case of how do we define it. I agree with BobA about the original source as well.
You put in a lot of work on this, and this great review deserves at least one reply, so here it is - another great, well thought out, and put together review, admiral.
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