Thanks tangub, my fetishes have been influencing the sites I join. Panties was never a top fetish of mine but I do have the one of women sliding their panties over to masturbate and this site does that a lot. The panty content is a lot like the older Euro sites and I think the ages of the models (little older than regular teen porn) has them being more erotic with the way they tease. I originally thought it might be the same company that runs Fitness Rooms and thought maybe one day they would combine them but they don't seem to be related. After going through the content, I'll surprise myself by saying I think Caprice's scenes are the best I've seen of her and the best on the site. I stopped collecting her content several years ago because everything I watched of her was the same. She's matured a lot, is over being "cute" and she really does a good job at being erotic (eye contact, body language). For the best value, I would wait about 6 months, they'll be up to over 100 scenes by then.
Their anal masturbation isn't that common, about 20% of the scenes and several are just the model masturbating with a butt plug in. I thought one of the Caprice scenes was one of the best. It included her doing a very light, one finger, anal masturbation towards the end of it. It is quite erotic. I think I kind of turned away from her content years ago because she was on every site I was on and thought her older content was kind of dull. She seems to have grown up a lot. I didn't even know she does anal content. And Abella Danger has a scene, I think she always does anal and does on here with a dildo. One of the scenes, I don't remember the model's name, maybe Lorena G the 31 year old model. She's up in the chair with a knee on each arm of the chair and using a dildo anally. The masturbation on the site is very good, overall. You get the feeling of real orgasms with most of the models and some are very intense (in speed), others are more erotic and move their bodies with the motion of the toy or fingers. There's nothing extreme on it, though. There was a couple of squirt videos that went more into the real or believable squirts where the creamy fluid squirts out maybe 6 inches.
I think a fetish thread would be interesting on the forum. I'm sure we've had them before to some extent but because my fetishes are very much influencing my site joins these days, it might be interesting to share some of mine and even how I developed them.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
- The first site I've known of that covers the "dressing room" fetish.
- The quality is very high, maybe the highest I've seen as an overall site but there's a con about this too.
- Some well-known models like Lil' Caprice but there are a few models here that I've never heard of and you'll see the big con but these particular "new" models to me were worth joining for.
- You're going to get three main fetishes here: Dressing Room, panties and a combination of tease/explicit masturbation that is kind of rare these days.
- Very good download speeds, thanks to my cable company, hitting 80% of my new 400M internet connection.
- One day this will be part of a network and it will be worth joining that network for.
- CCBill is the biller and they tried a cross sale for Sex Art.
- If you like the models and the fetishes, I think it's a good price for this site.
- Updates twice a week
Cons:
- The site is small. As of today, 9/11/2018, they have 58 videos, 58 photo sets and 30 "extras" photo sets that look to be fairly genuine in being true self-shot photos.
- I would like to see them do more with the dressing room fetish. At times it feels like I could be watching a common solo video of a model without even noticing the setting.
- The lost fetish, bottom line will explain.
Bottom Line:
I don't know if it's an age thing or if maybe it's more of a more recent trend (thanks, smartphones) but I have this strange, unusual fetish of women undressing in dressing rooms and doing more to themselves while in there. I say strange even though I think it's much more common these days. I have dated a few women recently who liked sending pictures from the dressing room. You know the way that goes, "Do you like this outfit? Is this cute on me? Am I too old to be wearing this?" Then 376 pictures later, "How about this?" And the clothes magically disappeared.
Maybe that's the appeal of this site to me, the tease lasts about half of the video (20-25 minutes long scenes). You know you're getting old when a woman is sending you pictures and you're replying, "I'm getting hungry! And no, not in a sexual way!"
This site is in one way, very basic. The navigation is very simple and works as it should. The technical quality is the best I've seen when it comes to 100% of the content having these specs:
The videos are downloadable in 3 sizes, 4K, 1080p and 720p. I still don't have a 4K monitor so I can't say how crisp or clear those are but the 720p are very crisp and clear to me.
The pictures are downloadable and start with the model dressed, some of the outfits are very pretty, almost like it's what the model chose to wear or like they have a wardrobe specialist. The pictures are nearly 6000 long end.
The site is almost painfully exclusive feeling. What I mean by that, it's like they have very serious standards for their models. They have 58 scenes (videos and photos) but only 20 models. Which is good if you're like me and found a few you hadn't seen before, most have multiple shoots and outfits. At this point, it looks like this site should be rated very high unless removing points for the small size of it.
But ... why make a niche site that is untouched for the most part and make production mistakes that all but ruin the niche? First video I watched, the model teases, she's stripping, good site for those into panties, she starts masturbating and starts moaning loudly and groaning and squealing. A woman wouldn't masturbate in a store dressing room and moan and groan loudly! It's like writing a classic novel only to forget to proofread it.
That moaning is annoying enough but the scenes are dead silent. This isn't really a dressing room, is it? It's a box on the set? Where's the soft background music we would hear in stores? What about people randomly talking? This niche has a ton of potential but hearing a model's heels echo in a hollow room isn't part of the potential. That's sad to me.
I once watched an amateur that recorded herself masturbating in a dressing room. She was nearly biting her lip off to stop from moaning but someone bumped the door or went in the dressing room beside her and it aroused her, so a small moan slipped out. There's the potential. Something that makes this content look like it's a horny woman but not porn. Maybe I'm asking too much but anything to make scenes more than just basic masturbation scenes that are shot in the same room. I love to use my imagination when viewing porn but these production errors do make it almost too hard to imagine.
What saves them, besides the technical quality, are the models. I downloaded the content of 17 of the 20 models. Even found one model I'm not familiar with that I am going to have to look for, Apolonia Lapiedra, anyone that knows of more content of her let me know. She's engagement ring level.
I will also give them credit for not fudging the model's ages. Not that I know their ages but as mentioned, Lil' Caprice is here and instead of like most sites, she's not listed as 19, she's listed as 29. The youngest model on the site is 22, the oldest is 31. There is anal, vaginal masturbation but no sex, not even girl-girl. It's a girl and her toy in a box. Jill-in-the-box? Joking aside, I like this site for a one month join. They are updating twice a week but given that the videos are not that long, you will download most everything you want in a week (max). It's a very good, solo, panties, tease, masturbation site but every scene is in the box so I can't get the dressing room part out of my head.
I would recommend it for those who stand outside a dressing room and see a pretty woman walk in and start ignoring their wife asking them to get her a bigger size. If you're into "she would be that loud in public" (not your wife) then you'll love the content. I think panty fetishists also would enjoy this site. The scenes have roughly 10 minutes of tease at the beginning (formulaic?). For me the models made the site above average but that's really as far as I can go. Check the models out before joining and decide from there. Last, I did a similar of review of Fitness Rooms, with similar "problems" of the content just not being believable enough but it doesn't look like the sites are related.
At this point, for me, I look at the content/theme as much as anything. I saw a site recently that has been around awhile called, Lost Bet Games, that has a somewhat unique theme, average, mostly amateur looking models that I am considering joining just because it looks like something different.
I hate to hear that. Bang actually did a lot to help me, including refunding the membership I used but the biller echst.net lied to me multiple times and are still lying to me.
They had charged me $7.95, $19.95 (3x), I didn't realize it was that many times until I kept going back to my bank account. They (echst.net) told me it was for Viv Thomas. I'm a pretty big fan of Viv Thomas but hadn't been a member in over a year. Their customer service rep (Chris) told me he would refund all the charges on the supposed Viv Thomas account. He refunded one $19.95. I contacted him again, friendly at that, he said it was probably bank processing that was slowing it down. I waited a week, no more refunds. I contacted him again, he said he was going to put the refunds in again and this time was starting to get an attitude about it. Still didn't get any of the refunds. I contacted him again. He said their system had problems and that most likely caused all the problems, "I'm going to put the refunds in again, right now." That was 3 weeks ago, still haven't received any of the other refunds.
The frustrating part is the supposed "Viv Thomas" account started on the same day as my Bang account and the biller is the same for both sites. Talking sense to Chris hasn't done me any good because he just makes the same comment and comes up with a new excuse each time. I even have 9 emails from him. That's how long the problem has been going on.
Current Member for over 1 year (at the time of review).
Pros:
- In my opinion, this mostly non-nude site is one of the top 3 sites for me.
- One of my biggest complaints on photo-dominated sites is starting the sets out nude. It doesn't happen here as their clothing is part of the eroticism.
- As good as it gets when it comes to attractive, girl next door types.
- Download speeds are very fast and since most of what you download are picture sets, there's no frustration of large files.
- The price: $9.99 for a month or $30 for a year.
- CCBill for billing.
- I think this site is as much a "fetish" site as any fetish site.
- Shot in everyday, natural locations in everyday, natural clothes.
- Some of the photo sets have videos that are videos of the photography set, it lets you see the model's personality.
- Averages an update every other day.
- Picture sets are downloadable in zip files.
- Biggest pro will be in the bottom line, takes too many characters to explain.
Cons:
- It's not a con for me but there are sets that you won't see any nudity in them.
- This is also a pro for me but might be a con for some, there's excellent variation in body types, races as said in pros, very much the girl next door types.
- When you get to the end of a picture set and the teasing model decides to just tease!
Bottom Line:
This review will be a little different than my normal style. Zishy has become one of my top 2 or top 3 sites. I think it's a polarizing "porn" site. There's not a lot of nudity and "pink" is rare. There's no sex, no triple vaginal while double analing, no cumshots, no masturbation. But ... to me, it's one of the most arousing sites on the internet. One of my exes used to say I am one the most difficult men to be with because nudity doesn't excite me. I blame a childhood and teenage years in Los Angeles for that. The biggest pro that I talked about above is:
I'm going to use a set from Zishy to show the biggest pro. Noelle Monique in "Cleopatra was Black". She's a medium brown complexion, very pretty, jet black curly hair and she has some curves. It's filmed in Corona, California, been there many times myself. California is known for its beautiful sunsets. Zishy must have timed this set right as the sun was setting in the background. Noelle has on a skin-tight, sheer, white, dress. The contrast between her complexion, the very dark hair and white dress is perfect. The outdoor portion of the set starts with her back to the camera, the sunset gleams through the sheer white dress so you can see every inch of her legs up to her butt. From the front view, her hard nipples can be seen through the dress (major fetish) and her expressions range from a cute, playful smile to the look of her knowing this might be the sexiest she's ever looked. Later on in the set, they move to a department store, I'm going to guess a well-known, old hardware, family department store based on the brands that can be seen. And she's flashing her boobs, her butt, even a few showing her pubic area but not spread open.
That is the biggest pro. FTV at times can pull that one off but Zishy does it in almost every set. Instead of the model's eyes starting a scene with "come to me" eyes then hardcore sex happening, these scenes start with "I'm going to be sexy" eyes and ends with "come to me". It's unique and unmatched in porn. And that's exactly what I want in a porn site. Not the tease or ending with "come to me" but to say, "You're not going to get this anywhere else."
It has kept me around for 3 years. There are sets that don't have that magic and I personally think Noelle's might be the best set on the site but it happens regularly on Zishy. Here's the factual information:
The very first set was posted on 11/1/2011 and it has updated every other day since. That's roughly 182 photo sets per year, nearly 7 years for roughly 1,200 photo sets.
I could make that a con and it's probably why I don't give it a 100. The site is one page and you scroll through 250+ rows of 4 picture sets. If I could offer any advice it would be to put them into months or even years.
Some of the sets have videos but outside of watching a few of the streams of them, I've never downloaded them. They are just videos of the photo sets. You do get to see the model's personality in those.
I don't know if all the sets are based out of California but if it's not California it's Nevada or Arizona. There's also something that is another fetish for me. Some sets are shot in department stores. I've seen Target, maybe a drug store, grocery stores and I'll admit, I used to date a woman who was into flashing in stores.
I do think it's kind of funny that I complain about sites that don't start a scene off with the model dressed while this site will often end with the model still dressed. I've compared Zishy to FTV in the past and while I don't know Zishy or if he's connected with FTV, there are a lot of models on here who are also on FTV and the Zishy set will tell you that, "You can see much more of this model on FTV". Considering the year membership is the price of some premium sites monthly price, it's never a question for me.
There's also points for not sticking to one type of model. I've always said I'm attracted to almost all women. I know the chubbier, thicker models aren't for everyone but seeing them here shows why I respect Zishy's work. They're as "sexy" and "hot" as any of the other models.
The fetishes this site plays into: Exhibitionism, flashing, public nudity, upskirts, panties, tight clothes, cameltoes and one you rarely hear about in porn: Female sexuality and sensuality. It might have been Anais Nin that said, "If a woman can't arouse a man without taking her clothes off she's not a woman." Zishy's models and photography does that. I also will say despite no sex/masturbation, the poses are sexual and a select few of the models even show their wetness through their panties (forgot that fetish). Also forgot to mention these aren't all amateurs. There are some well-known porn stars here too.
I wanted to go 100 but that scrolling, page loading, is one of my longtime porn pet peeves. Recommended to those who like the sensuality of younger women, the playfulness of girl next door types without needing full nudity and/or sex.
One that I think might be a little touchy here in North American is the Western Chikan website. They use CCBill but I don't think it's ever been listed on TBP or PU. Chikan is known as the Japanese bus/train groping sites. Those wouldn't be that popular here since they are censored. The Western Chikan site isn't censored and it has the train/bus groping, touching of all sorts, sex on the train/bus with people watching but I do know it's not the most-accepted form of porn in our Western society since it can look "forced".
A much more accessible option is the Porn Doe Network. I discovered the network and these sites by accident awhile back.
They have Chicas Loco which is a public sex site set in bookstores, bars, diners but I will say these are very controlled environments with sometimes less than 5 people watching.
Also on Porn Doe is Crowd Bondage. This is the direct ripoff of Public Disgrace. Some of the humiliation goes beyond my threshold for enjoyment. Including at least a couple of scenes where the "public" drops their cigarette ashes in the model's mouth while she has sex. They do the scenes with random people squirting the model's face with water hoses. Their scenes, especially at first glance, could easily pass as Public Disgrace scenes with most of the male talent wearing all black clothing. But even these scenes end up in very controlled environments.
Still, if you ever join Porn Doe's Network they're worth checking out.
JP Outdoor has some good "public" Japanese scenes that are uncensored but these are much tamer than Public Disgrace.
Cum Louder, a once promising network that is a mess now, has Latin Asses in Public, used to be known as Publico Culoes, that has the scenes where they walk a naked or flashing woman through the streets of the big cities in Europe. I'll put a link to this one because it's hard to find the content on their site. Even with the search supposed to only show Latin Asses in Public, you'll see that there's plain hardcore scenes mixed in the results too but you'll see the public ones too.
Current Member for over 3 months (at the time of review).
Pros:
- The much-maligned public sex site of the Kink network.
- There are a few newer sites that are trying to do the same genre and niche but Public Disgrace, to me, is the best at it and you get access to the Kink network too.
- Very good download speeds, 80% and up of my max.
- All of the scenes over the last year and a half are at least 50 minutes long and some are over an hour. (The importance of this will be in the BL)
- Still has that Kink style of quirkiness in the majority of the scenes.
- Though I think the creativity has dropped a little over the years, they're still setting the bar for production values.
- For this type of content, their catalog is huge, by my count they have 481 scenes. Most sites like this one have less than 100. And they update twice a month, like clockwork, including sometimes three times a month if the weeks fall right.
- If you're just focused on this site or one of the others on the network the navigation is very good.
Cons:
- I think they still have some problems with laws, you kind of get the feeling that it might disappear one day and never come back.
- If you're not careful the content can seem to be very repetitive but it's probably not fair to say that considering it's public sex.
- Another one for those who like to nitpick, not all scenes are truly "public". All scenes do have a crowd of people watching but seem to be in controlled environments.
Bottom Line:
Public Disgrace pushed boundaries when it first opened. The mere thought of what their scenes had them would make most people's eyes bug out of their head. They have a model or in a few cases, models, meet them somewhere usually public, could be a bus, could be a park, could be a bus stop, an adult video store or pretty much anywhere public you can think of. Most of the scenes start with the model being stripped, bound by rope and led around a city. If that makes you laugh or smile you'll probably love this site. In some of the scenes they stay in fairly public place but I've never been fully convinced that any of these areas aren't controlled environments. Does that take away from the experience? Not for me.
The model(s) is the most important part of the Public Disgrace scenes. Some are either really horny or wanting to leave a good impression. Those models are touching the clothed people while two guys are double penetrating her. Some are not as involved with the crowd and whether it's fair or not, those scenes fall pretty flat for me.
There's even a comment here on PU about when Kink was shutting Public Disgrace down. And they were down for awhile but out of nowhere, they showed back up and started updating again. This is the biggest compliment I can give this site and Kink overall:
This site is why I join Kink's network with year memberships. There's months that I only get two new scenes then the lucky ones with three and I think those scenes alone are worth the subscription price. I like other sites on the Kink Network but I could join once a year to get those scenes. The Public Disgrace updates are ones I don't want to wait for.
Not to advertise a different site but to show how difficult this style is, especially in the United States, Brazzers had Asses in Public. It was similar to Public Disgrace without bondage. The last time I was on Brazzers, Asses in Public only had a dozen or so scenes. It used to have near 100 but they had to take some of them down. Public Disgrace/Kink obviously spends a lot of time making sure they are cleared to shoot this style of porn.
You will notice a difference in the scenes if you go back and watch scenes from the first few years compared to now but I do believe in the last year and a half, their scenes have improved from where they were. The was a lull when no new scenes were coming out then they went to shorter scenes that were 20-30 minutes long. As mentioned in the pros, the last year and a half has scenes that are at least 50 minutes and a few go near 75 minutes. In this style of porn (exhibitionism, voyeurism, especially), that's a big deal. It gives more time for the buildup, the parts that don't look as controlled. You also get to see the model often laughing, sometimes blushing and I think that helps keep Kink on the "good guys" list as it shows the model's willingness to be involved in this debauchery.
The Kink quirkiness: This is the only porn studio I know of that surprises me. Sometimes it's something goofy like for those Game of Thrones fans, shortly after the Cersei "Walk of Shame", Kink put two nude models in a near identical walk of shame scene. There's psychology going on there since they know a lot of guys and women too were aroused by the Game of Thrones scene. There's more too, like the elderly man who jumps into a scene and starts groping a model. Is it staged and planned? Maybe but it's more than other studios are doing.
This site itself has 481 scenes as of 8/14/2018, they do have pictures but I still haven't seen a way to download them. I would think only the public pictures would be of any value to a viewer since you might see things you didn't catch in the video.
I'll mention that in my Kink Network review, I said Public Disgrace now has a subtitle of "Sluts in Spain". I'm not for sure why they did that other than to release two scenes that I assume were shot in Spain. I don't know where the majority of these scenes are shot but do know in the older scenes, there are some from San Francisco. I thought the Sluts in Spain was their new main location to film from since their header had the subtitle in it but it does seem to be just a few scenes as the newest scenes no longer say it.
It takes brave people to do these scenes. I would imagine performing in front of even planned audience members, would make it difficult for some models (both the males and females). Public Disgrace does by far the best job of it and their models, overall, are the most believable in this style of porn.
I do not list their video resolution as a con, anymore. The videos max out at 720p resolution but with the scenes being around an hour each, anything bigger on the resolution and the file sizes would be massive to download. It's still not perfect but it's well-above similar sites and in a class of its own.
Does sex not count as hands-free?
Based on Merc's answer it's going into stopping while masturbating but still being able to achieve orgasm. I have had an ex or two that liked to stop their hand or mouth or body movement right as orgasm neared, then it would "accidentally" happen without stimulation. If it means without any stimulation, then I would say no, unless I had wet dreams many years ago.
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
- It's one of the best photography sites on the internet and has been around long enough that I was once a member in 2006.
- It is an "artsy" site but it has a naughty side.
- Download speeds are very good (80% of max).
- Quality is extremely high, will explain in BL.
- Models from all over the world, including the United States, which is kind of unusual for this type of site.
- Updates, on average, every other day. Today is July 31st and there are 16 July updates.
- One of the last sites to really focus on the setting, the colors in the background and it shows.
- The TBP/PU price is very good.
- Ready for this one? Bills through Epoch or CCBill, your choice and can use Paypal too.
- Another shocker ... not a single ad in the member's area and zero cross-sales.
- One of the most diverse photography sites, quite a few Latina models and most of these models are new to me. The one thing that doesn't vary is that every model is pretty.
Cons:
- It's a small one but I think it could be confusing to first-time/new members and that's the difference in the videos that come with the pictures and the "films" that are separate. I will cover it in the BL.
- I don't know if this is a fair con but each time I go to the home screen there's a Watch 4 Beauty notice that they now have a mobile site. Is it better than the desktop site? I don't understand its purpose. Of course, I don't look at porn on my phone either.
Bottom Line:
Watch 4 Beauty is my favorite of the photography/artsy sites. They took risks when the other artsy sites wouldn't. So, they won me over a long time ago. I know they don't update as much as some of the other photography sites but they update enough for me. Their archive has around 2,500 photo sets in it too.
The first place they stand out is in the photography. You have four download choices, 1200 pixels, 2000 pixels or "4000", the 4000 are close to 6000 long end which is huge. They also have the rather unique "PDF portfolio" download as well.
Where they're different from many photography sites is they have "films". This also goes into the confusion. Each photo set has an accompanying video BUT that video is a behind the scenes video that is nothing more than a videographer recording the photo session. Oddly enough, they have this video embedded above the photos. The photos are in 3 rows and at the end of the photos are the links to download the picture set and a link to download the embedded video, it's only available in 1080p. The "films" are normal masturbation-type videos.
These films are some of the best masturbation videos I've seen. They also can be downloaded in 3 different sizes the 4K 2160p, 1080p and 540p. These are some of the most realistic masturbation scenes I've seen. They're not overly long, most are in the 10-13 minute range and they're not filled with a lot of fake screaming and forced "dirty talk". This works here because most of the models are younger (under 25). The bad part is these films are only released once a week. There's around 480 of these films so there is a fairly large amount considering it's a photography site.
The part I think is negative there is not all the models appear in "films" and unless you're on the model's page, you're going to have to scroll through the films category to find ones you're looking for.
The model list works. Each model's page has all of her photo sets listed, all of her films listed and there's a ranking system for members to go by when looking for new models.
If I was to say what's the best part of this site, it would be that it's like porn sites used to be. They find a pretty setting, place a very pretty model in the setting, take pictures/behind the scenes video and/or shoot a film. It's also nice to see a choice of billers when joining. If you use Paypal you have to bill through Epoch. Oddly enough for me, Paypal won't let me use my Visa debit card to join porn sites but I do have a Mastercard and they accept it. Besides that there's the easy to use navigation, no advertisements to try and avoid, no cross-sales to uncheck and the site works exactly how it should.
The models are the biggest draw here. I have more Latina models in my collection, from Watch 4 Beauty, than I do from any other site and that includes sites with the name "Exotics" in them. I do think it's possible for new members to be frustrated by the videos included with picture sets just being videos of the photography session but I think most or all of the photography sites do those too. The films separate it from the others and are what makes it my favorite "photography" site.
There are models on here that remind you it's okay to be shallow. Ariela looks like a 19 year old Angelina Jolie. Karin Torres shows that not all Latina women are full of curves but is still quite stunning. Li Moon shows that Asian models aren't all slender with her curves. Irene Rouse reminds me that I have a strange fetish for women with unique hair. Not that it's unusual hair but it's a style that was more popular 20 years ago. That, to me, is when a porn site is doing a good job. They are focusing on bringing out the strengths of the models instead of making every model's strength rest between her legs. Maybe that's even more pornographic than hardcore porn? I'm getting too old to be seduced but there's a seductive quality to this content that's uncommon these days.
I did want to throw in since someone asked, there are both portrait and landscape photos on this site. I too can be enticed by a beautiful landscape with a pretty model blended in. Unless I've missed it at the other photography sites, I think Watch 4 Beauty does that better than anyone and it's why I score it a 95. I also want to mention the archive of models that are now becoming "old" or "classic". In my 12+ years of collecting porn, my very favorite photos of Anetta Keys are from Watch 4 Beauty. I don't know what they did with the lighting, the setting colors but it really made her "glow". Which is probably why they call it nude art. You just don't find many sites like this one anymore. Highly recommended to picture fans and solo masturbation fans (for the films).
I edited my original post to reflect this. Once in contact with Bang's support they said it couldn't be Bang Live because it's pay as you go, not a recurring membership. But instead of blowing me off at that, they helped me track it down through echst.net. A support member there found that the charges were from a Met Art site, seems echst.net also is Met Art's biller but I haven't been a member on any of the Met Art sites in awhile. The support member closed the account and refunded me. He also found a third charge I hadn't noticed all the way back in May and refunded it. So, problem fixed but I do think that shows why I had been using prepaid cards. And I'll start paying more attention to my bank statements.
I'll credit my first serious relationship with a non-American woman for helping me discover it. She came from a country that repressed women. I couldn't understand how she could be insecure (what I thought), so I started showing her some porn and it was like she became a whole different woman. Turns out it was her seeing that I wasn't going to get mad or condemn her for looking at porn that helped. The problem that eventually showed its face was she didn't know when/what was too much. She would see a exhibitionism/flashing type porn scene and want to go out into public with a skirt and no panties. It made for a very exciting sex life but we were young (early to mid-20s for me, she was 19-21) and when I wouldn't want to do risky things she would take it as me not being interested in her. In the PU forum thread, "Top 5 or 10 favorite scenes", I listed a handful of scenes that are in my favorites just because women love them. I think from the male perspective you have to be prepared for something a lot of men say isn't true. Women like women, they find women sexier than men, which is understandable to me but it can be hard for a man who realizes if she is that much into women he really can't compete. So, those scenes I shared, they focus on the woman in the scene being in control with men or a man. Those scenes have never failed me. Including one woman who told me she despised porn. Those type of statements are often what a woman thinks a man wants to hear. The confusion that can come in there is some women are like that towards their boyfriend/husband watching porn because it bothers them that he's getting off over other women so they believe he will be bothered by her getting off over other men and women in porn.
I've found it opens up communication and that helps with trust.
Thanks RA, still waiting on a response. I sent the email to the email address their webmaster listed above around 9 PM EST last night and so far only an automated response. The biller from the best I can tell is echst.net, that was what concerned me when I saw it on my bank statement. On the other side of it, the card I used is through my local bank so I put the "approve before allowing purchases" on it temporarily. I'll give them a few more hours before replying to their webmaster in this section.
As a solo porn fan, I've always pushed for more eye contact from the model with the camera. Oddly enough, that is my version of virtual reality. The funny part is there's nothing more frustrating to me than a model who keeps looking at the camera in a scene that involves more than one model. This was one of the traits that I felt made Eve Angel the best solo performer. I later found out from a photographer named Peter who ran the old site Teen Models and worked for all of the big Euro sites that Eve's boyfriend at the time was often holding the camera and she would see the filming as a way to practice her seduction with him. Worked for me and it's mostly believable because if Eve was on another site (besides her own) she would struggle to have the same kind of eye contact.
It was the first time I've had this type of charge happen. I was a big part of that once hack of Teen Dreams where the webmaster blamed us all for sharing our passwords and banned us ... later apologized and reinstated everyone. The thing that really worried me is when I finally signed in to Bang Live, it said I had up to $225 of credits to use. I'm just now getting to email them to get it resolved and will post back and edit some of this if they get it fixed. I never could do those webcam shows. I remember when Eve Angel used to have live shows on her first site and you could chat with her but it didn't appeal to me for some reason.
Current Member for over 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
- A network that keeps improving. And includes Nubiles.net which is one of the best sites in its genre.
- The most recent content focuses on the "step family" niche. A big departure from Nubiles.net's more focused mostly solo content. It is welcomed as it brings variety.
- The technical quality is high throughout the network.
- Download speeds are very good, 80% my max download speed.
- As a network, I would put them on par with the top networks on the internet (Brazzers, Reality Kings, Bang Bros, etc...).
- Nubiles.net is the ace up the sleeve that nudges them ahead of all other networks.
- Bills through Epoch.
- Navigation has improved since my last visit.
- For me, I like the lightheartedness of their stepfamily scenes. Some of the acting, Abella Danger is guilty, makes me laugh in a good way.
- A month isn't long enough to go through this network. I'm not even for sure 6 months is enough.
Cons:
- Just not much to complain about. The lesser-used sites of the network like Driver XXX, which I thought was a good site hasn't updated in 3 years.
- Maybe stick a border at the top that says Nubiles.net is included. It does show up in the little "world/network" tab but other than that I don't see it anywhere else on the site.
Bottom Line:
For many years, Nubiles.net, was one of my favorite sites. I wasn't for sure how I felt about Nubiles adding new sites. I also like their site Anilos as well. The network at first was questionable for me because it was more like they were using it to test different styles of scenes. As mentioned, Driver XXX, would be a perfect example of that. In 2015, they released 13 "episodes" from the Driver XXX series but none since. My concern was fair, in my mind, I thought it would cause Nubiles.net to slow or drop off or even disappear (see Club Sandy after 21 Sextury went to a network).
Instead, Nubiles.net still updates nearly two times a day just by itself. And the network itself updates 4-5 times a week. So, you're getting a network that updates and a premium solo model site that updates twice a day (on average) for the price of one site.
The good part of this arrangement is Nubiles.net retains a mostly amateur feel to the models while Nubiles Porn network has the more known models in hardcore scenes. There's a fine-line for me when it comes to adding hardcore scenes to an otherwise softcore site and Nubiles Porn is now doing it as good as anyone. I think their only real competition is DDF's Network. I think both of those sites would take that as a compliment to both.
One of my favorite (more recent) hardcore scenarios is the one where the stepmom or aunt walks in on a younger couple having sex and joins or "teaches". They have a lot of that in the newer content on Nubiles Porn. You also get the admittedly funny, boyfriend distracted while an older man is seduced by the boyfriend's girlfriend. Nubiles does these types of scenes with what I consider "good taste" in that they make them so outrageous that you don't become too uncomfortable about the scene. I mentioned Abella Danger's funny acting ability and that came up in a recent scene where Abella and stepbrother/stepsister were on vacation when Abella walks in on them having sex. She looked like she had been hit on the head with an anvil! Have to love the corny humor that comes from this niche.
And if you're an imagination porn user you can imagine it as being completely serious if you have a fetish for the niche.
The videos on Nubiles Porn give you five download options from 270p to 1080p. They also have photo sets for download and also screencaps for download.
It's not as easy to find total content counts since some of the scenes appear on more than one site but Nubiles.net offers roughly 10,000 scenes, which is unheard of for a solo model site with the occasional hardcore/lesbian scene.
On the Nubiles Porn scenes they use season/episode for each episode. For example, Mom's Teach Sex is in Season 8, Episode 8. While I'm all for making things more organized, the newest season of Mom's Teach Sex started in April. Each season has 10 episodes and lasts 4 months (2 updates per month). There doesn't seem to be any connection from the episodes to each other or from season to season but it is an interesting way to list your scenes and organize them. It does help some with counting the scenes too. Like Mom's Teach Sex, 7 full seasons at 10 episodes each season is 70 plus the 8 in the current season. But I'm not going to go through all 15 sites and figure that out for each.
I did notice that Nubiles Unscripted hasn't updated recently and that was one of my favorites in this network. A couple of others don't have July scenes but there's still 7 days left in July, as I write this. The overall update number probably explains more than listing each site. There's 15 sites besides Nubiles.net and they update roughly 16 times a month. Most of the updating sites do 2 updates per month so I think it would be safe to say 8 of the network sites are updating.
The models at Nubiles have always been a major selling point. On Nubiles.net you get the amateur-style models and they don't cake a pound of makeup on the models. The models vary from average, plain-looking to very pretty. Nubiles Porn's models are mostly porn stars but are from the younger models unless it's a site like Mom's Teach Sex.
I like it well-enough and the content well-enough that I'm planning on rejoining once this membership runs out, to a longer-term membership just because I don't feel like I'm coming close to downloading all the content I want.
Highly recommended especially for those who like to use their imagination or those who don't insist on the scenes to be 100% authentic in what it advertises itself as.
I can tell you I hadn't ever heard of Bang Live until I went to echst(dot)net to see who was charging me. I then didn't know it was a cam site until I had to sign in on Bang Live (with the login from Bang) just to try and cancel it. I did list that wrong earlier. From what I can tell the Bang Live account is still active even though I went through the cancellation process. The main problem I've had with it is the email address that you said isn't being used. It was sent to me in an automated response when trying to cancel. I'll include a screenshot if it's allowed.
I'll accept that it could have been hacked.
I have a long history here at Porn Users, 11+ years, 300+ reviews of porn sites and one theme about me that's never changed is I am a collector. Cam sites wouldn't be something I would be interested in. I will accept that I could have clicked on a picture of a hot model thinking it was content but I still think you all have to set something up to send an email when someone joins a site, cam site. Here's the image if it will let me post it:
I agree about the possibilities of computer problems but there's still a few problems, including:
#1 No email to tell me I was signed up for Bang Live.
#2 The support email address returning my email.
#3 The cancellation page not having an instant cancel. It instead makes you sign in on Banglive.com then has you send the email to the wrong email address.
#4 Their Automated Response sending me an email address that their webmaster says isn't used for support. I'll drop a screenshot in an online photo album and include a link to it in the reply to their webmaster.
Being an overly-analytical person (I hate it), all these things went through my head before I decided to post the comment. And maybe most importantly, through all this, it still shows my account to BangLive as active despite me going through the cancellation process three times. It's hard to believe the same error is happening over and over. Their cancellation page has a clear "cancel" button but as mentioned above it then asks you to sign in. The initial problem was I never knew I was a member on Bang Live so I had no idea my login from Bang Prime was the same.
Thank you for the reply. I have had a rough few weeks, as seen by me looking at my bank account to even remember what sites I have memberships to. Bang seems like a reputable enough company to fix it but I would hope they look at the screenshot I include a link to and see that their site is sending people the wrong email address for support. Which to me shows a sloppiness that very easily could cause people to be charged for other upsells without verifying they want the upsell and without sending them an email to tell them they joined an upsell.
I would do what I did before I discovered porn. Watch regular mainstream television and hope for a hard nipple or cameltoe or nice butt. Then I'd just wait for the world of rebels to figure out the next big thing. Maybe it would be candid videos from beaches or dressed women telling about their favorite way to tease a man? We're too creative and rebellious of a society to say "Okay, no more sexual content of any kind." Maybe I would finally write those Erotica books I've been talking about for 20 years?
So, the problem I had with three recurring charges, originally thought it was two, turns out to be some kind of payment/biller issue. Echst.net showed my only active account as bang live but Bang's support said that account was a pay as you go, not a recurring monthly charge. They helped me out by providing me a chat link to echst.net's support. From there I chatted with a support member who noticed that the charges were coming from one of the Met Art sites. I haven't been a member on one of those Met Art sites since last year. There doesn't seem to be an answer of how it happened but the support member closed the account and refunded me the three charges, so very good support but once again, the concern of using a bank card or credit card comes back into my thinking.
The main advice I can share is check your bank statements. At least the billers seem to be fair and willing to work with you.
I believe in the ability to fantasize swinging WITH your spouse or significant other but don't think the actual action of it helps. The fantasy of it can often bring out emotions that we struggle with and if done together, it can build a new level of trust but shouldn't be done if either person is insecure.
Thank you, good intuition, I used to be a psychologist and do work in a college now. Sometime in the future, I'll most likely try out being a professor. I try to be as informative and straight-forward as possible in my reviews.
Thanks for the added part. I didn't even realize the Hookup Hotshot content was on EA. I have a strange aversion to anything that comes close to puking in my porn and know that Gozzling has had content that has it in it. It's one of those great mysteries. I got near death drunk when I was a teenager. Spent a whole day and night in the ER, eating charcoal, with a bucket between my legs and a cop standing there the whole time. Kind of funny now since the cops worked in shifts. Once I had everything out of me, the on-duty cop was an older man, he looked at me and said, "Son, I think you've learned your lesson. I'm not going to arrest you." I haven't thrown up since then (26 years). Some say I show signs of Emetophobia but it doesn't bother me like say in The Walking Dead or when someone I care about throws up. When I see it in porn, it agitates me. It's possible, from my use of imagination with porn, that I look at porn in a more glamorous way and the addition of something coming up ruins that for me.
Current Member for over 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
- One of the most unique and largest networks on the internet.
- Kink covers lots of ground in niches, also there is a large variety of models (body type, race, hair length, etc...).
- I have seen others say they have DL speed problems but I haven't had any. I download at 85% of my max download speed.
- Depending on your depth of interest in varied niches, one could easily say this network has the most value of any network.
- The network continues to grow and offers access to 71 sites. Will detail in BL.
- Update schedule is inconsistent but there's right at 2 updates per day (across the network).
- High quality throughout but not HD (720p max).
Cons:
- There's the obvious; Kink's content isn't for everyone but I do think most people could find at least a few of the sites appealing.
- Navigation is okay but it can be frustrating thanks to so much content (across the network) and some poorly tagged scenes.
- It's hard to say a network with 71 sites is losing steam but they do have their times when the content is inconsistent from scene to scene.
Bottom Line:
The first time I reviewed the Kink network it was right after they had launched the full network. I was shocked to see so many sites I had joined before but with the network all were available for 1 price. The old saying of "Too much of a good thing is never enough" doesn't really apply here. I can't imagine how someone could go through this whole network in a month, even two or three months, if I'm focused, I can scour two or three sites, download what I want, in about a month. You definitely get your money's worth.
The basis of Kink's content is in bondage, rough(er) scenes, light torture, excellent production values including costumes and sets. Because the number of sites it comes with keeps growing, I'm going to list them in groups so you can see the amount of depth this network has. I will separate gay men, transsexual, into their own groups. The rest includes male with female, female with female, groups.
Then there are these that are straight male, woman and some bisexual women but these focus more on the women dominating men and/or women (asterisk is dominating men):
I really have trouble believing any network or even DVD site has that many genres and niches covered under one subscription. Similar to Pink Panther's comment about Evil Angel having filters to filter out content you don't want to see, Kink also gives you the ability to filter out the transsexual and/or gay content.
There's a few things I have noticed this time as a member. One of my favorite Kink sites is Public Disgrace, it has had its share of controversy over the years but I now notice it is named, "Public Disgrace ... Sluts In Spain", all the archive content is still there and up until June 2018, they had been releasing 2 scenes per month. Only one in June and none so far in July.
Overall, it feels like the updates have slowed somewhat. The amount of sites is also much higher than it usually advertises, 71 to 23 that TBP advertises. But a lot of those sites are newer and don't have a lot of content on them. I also don't remember if the gay content used to be counted in the Kink network.
My interest in the network hasn't changed much. Public Disgrace is still one of my favorite sites. Ultimate Surrender is a great site but in moderation as the content does become repetitive. Fucking Machines features a lot of more mainstream models. Sex and Submission is as accessible as 95% of hardcore/bondage DVDs you'll find. The Upper Floor is still as far-reaching as it ever was. I'm under the impression at this point that its goal was never really realized so they just use it as a roleplaying/rich/wealthy society type fetish. There really is something for everyone and they do have pictures available for download but those vary from site to site.
The only technical knock is one that has been there for years and it's that the videos are 720p. I've told this before, that's my preferred video resolution so it's not a big deal to me. More importantly, the Kink scenes are relatively long compared to most porn scenes, some go over an hour each, so even the 720p versions are often 3-4 GB each. The only real disappointment I ever have with the Kink network is the lack of time. They have content of two of my favorite "softer" models, Lana Lopez and Satine Phoenix but I usually forget to download them. On average, I keep a membership here 6 months out of each year but a lot of times, I won't visit it for 2-3 months at a time. My score is a little lower than my first review of the network but that's because of the lesser updates, especially Public Disgrace and the newer sites not updating enough to make up for the older sites slowing down. It's still the best of non-mainstream porn and the best value as well.
Current Member for over 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
- A very large porn studio dedicated to pushing boundaries and bringing hardcore porn to the people.
- Evil Angel somehow has become so full of content that they are catching up with the big DVD sites.
- High quality throughout, picture sets that are downloadable, videos that have download options from 180p to 1080p.
- Diversity is a strength for Evil Angel, will go more into in the BL.
- Very good navigation options but even so, it can be overwhelming at times.
- Updates include at least one video per day and they add full DVDs (4-5 scenes) a couple times a week.
- Very good download speeds, 80% of my max.
- They're one of those sites that the exclusivity of the content falls under "it's their content" but you will see some of the content on other sites.
Cons:
- Anytime you become varied in your focus in porn it could be a problem for some. This will be in the BL.
- I can't imagine how they could improve the navigation but they could clean the site up. Every page I click on takes its own sweet time loading all the images.
- Probably not for those who like softer porn.
Bottom Line:
Evil Angel is kind of like Kink for me. I'll go for months without wanting to see something too different than normal porn then the urge will hit me to see something different. Evil Angel is one of the first sites I turn to when that urge hits. I do think their content is becoming less polarizing than it used to be as mainstream porn now contains many of the themes and niches you will find on Evil Angel.
What separates Evil Angel and Kink too from most "harder" sites is they can sign top-tier models. Some of my favorite Skin Diamond videos are from Evil Angel, as well as Jynx Maze. They do enough to keep their porn out of the cookie-cutter feel.
I talked about the varied focus and diversity. This just isn't in the obvious diversity like race, type of bodies. Evil Angel has categories like: DP, Double Anal, Pegging, Double Vaginal, Shemale fucks woman, Shemale fucks man, Shemale fucks shemale, Family roleplay, Midget, Prolapse, Stepsister, Stepdad, Stepmom, and they still do the normal straight-forward porn too. I do think that much diversity causes some to shy away from the site.
The good news is they have a ton of content no matter what category you like.
By my count they have 12,636 scenes. They have 1,500+ DVDs. Because there's so much content there's no way I could separate the scenes from DVDs to see how many of those overlap but it's a lot of porn, either way.
Something I like that some might not notice is they have added older videos and used the correct date on them. If you go to their last page of videos, you'll see videos from 1989 and 1990, including the legendary Buttman Goes to Rio. There's a nice collection of those older DVDs on here too as those are often the ones I'm most interested in.
There's also close to 4,500 models which does include men but besides lots of categories there are lots of models to go through too.
I mentioned this in a recent review of another site that is under the Fame Cash biller, these sites all have the same navigation. It's nice for those of us who like using the same navigation but I do think it hurts a little on Evil Angel. They have a "videos" tab that will take you to the newest updated scenes and a "movies" tab that takes you to the newest added DVDs. Then they have "pornstars" which is a model list but even if you put it in alphabetical order you're left guessing which number the letter M starts with, so your better choice is using the drop-down menu which has 4,500+ models in it. That's nitpicking and I know it but it does seem like something could be cleaned up there. Their ads are mostly their own, advertising a current top scene or a scene that's coming up. The only non-Evil Angel ad I've seen is at the bottom of each page for Bang.com.
As a photo collector, I should go back and say most of the photo sets are small. I've seen some as small as 10 pictures but as I've said before, it's better to give me something that I want more of than not give me any to complain about.
There is content here that some won't like and some that will even offend some people. Not that I think that's bad, we all have our lines of what is too far or too much but that could detract for some and improve for others. I do know a couple of other mainstream sites, including Videobox, either stopped or slowed their updating of transsexual content, not Evil Angel, they get a couple of TS DVDs in every month. I've said before that for me personally that's how these large DVD sites should be.
The videos are downloadable and download at 15MBps for me on what seems to be a 100-130M connection. The files can be large on here as mentioned earlier, they do use production values with stories, setups, teases. I am comfortable saying it's the best niche DVD site on the internet. As a straightforward DVD porn site it's also near the top. I don't know how much of their content is disliked by the average porn user or I would consider saying it's the best overall DVD site.
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