Don't forget the pre checked cross sales, and dirty tricks they use to stop you cancelling your membership, which have been covered here in a number of comments.
As a porn fan I find you're not reputable because you try to trick customers. If they get to try something they wouldn't get to try otherwise then fine, put in the cross sell but don't pre check it. If you say it's easy to see then it's easy for them to check it if it's uncrossed. They work for sites like yourselves because customers are tricked into paying for something they don't want, and then are too embarrassed to complain to credit card companies. One customer services representative at one company was honest enough to admit customers hate them and end up signing for something they don't want.
If you want to be considered reputable clean up your act, because no, companies like yourself are not reputable at all from my perspective.
Here are some other recent comments from members.
From tiemac1 on 31 january 2103
"Warning Cancelation Problem and Extra Charges
Be warned this website or billing company attempts to charge you extra for useless and or dead sites. (3 day trial)
They are also very difficult to cancel.
-Odd cancelation site."
From bibo on 20 December 2012
"Cancellation problems
No other site is cheeky enough to ask for FOUR different identification parameters in order to just CANCEL an existing account. Sorry, ddf, but this is my last visit to your site."
From Denner on 25 November 2012
"Cancel rebilling??????
When you join a site and want to cancel re-billing, it got to be smooth...
But this site certainly makes it hard:
When joining, I could not see which billing co. was in question - AND never got a mail back - so luckily I could remember the chosen login/password.
And when trying to cancel rebill, I have 7 choices of billing co. and all of the DDF-sites to choose from - none of them worked - and it took a hell of a time to go through all.
This is the problem with pre cross checked selling. I may not have said it a hundred times, but I've said it a lot. If you're a reputable site, don't try to trick customers. It reflects badly on the whole industry and means people will be reluctant to ever part with their money again. It takes customers away from the whole porn industry. Reputable sites can get the benefit of the doubt if a misunderstanding occurs, but as far as I'm concerned, if you have pre checked cross selling you're not a reputable site. It's about time PU/TBP stood up for the customer, supported reputable sites, and spoke out against dirty tricks, but they are weak and in trouble themselves. Not good.
Yes Capn, Epoch is number one with me for that reason alone. It appears CCBill doesn't exchange currencies at what I would consider to be a fair and reasonable basis. Sometimes they have outright regional discrimination. Either way it amounts to the same thing. I go with Epoch whenever I can. Probably the best customer support too.
This sort of thing is a little worrying. DDF have a reasonable reputation, but are they resorting to desperate or dubious measures because of lean times? Seeing reports of customers being unable to cancel always sets off alarm bells with me. It may be a little unfair, but I'm not trusting them with my credit card. Using a prepaid card seems like a good idea on this one.
For me, seeing Epoch or CC BIll, as the sign up agent, goes a long way towards making me feel comfortable about handing over credit card details.
Looks like they have both pre checked cross selling and regional discrimination in place. I wouldn't trust this lot with my credit card details. Looking at some of those free download places, DDF don't have bad stuff. They would have my money if they could be trusted, but I'm not touching them with a barge pole. Where's my money going next? Not to DDF.
This one is hard to tell because although the TBP listings gives Defiled 18 as a site you get with membership to TeenCoreClub, when you go to TeenCoreClub, Defiled 18 is not mentioned as one of the sites you receive wth membership.
Good, informative comment/review. It looks like it does what it says on the packet, and is one of those that is at least a little different from the mass produced jaded pros packaged sites.
Was a member approx. 1 month prior to this review.
Pros:
A large collection of professionally shot dvd's.
An unusually good selection of pics for a dvd site.
Excellent variety of download and streaming facilities, including HD, with good download speeds.
No download limits or DRM.
A variety of action across the vanilla porn range.
Discounts available through TBP/PU.
Many attractive girls in a variety of shape, size, age, and colour.
Easy log in, only requires username and password, which is remembered.
Cons:
Pre checked cross selling
Not easy to cancel, it took a few emails to get them to confirm my cancellation.
Regional discrimination.
Clicking the back button takes ages to get a response.
Pictures not zipped.
Far too many tats and fake breasts.
Duplication of clips across the network.
Bottom Line:
I usually boycott any site that practices regional discrimination or pre checked cross selling, but I joined up because of the special £5/$5 offer by email, and we all know by now the price of my principals is a fiver. What I expected to find was a dvd site along the usual lines, and Devils Film IS mainly a dvd site, but it is more than that, mainly due to some very unexpected high quality pictures.
The mainstay of the site is videos, which are high standard and professional on all fronts, being well photographed, lit, and edited, with fewer really awful bottom of the barrel cheap dvd's you sometimes see on the big dvd sites. The high spec material looks great even on streaming. Older material (by that I mean clips with the ripe old age of two years) are of lower quality, but I still found many to be well worth viewing or collecting.
I found acceptable speeds for both downloading and streaming, apart from the one irritation of the back page button taking ages to respond. As usual I did find things a little slower in the peak UK hours of late afternoon and early evening, but the main default option of Web HD 540, still worked well. Streaming looks great, especially on more recent videos, with a picture box allowing you to move backwards and forwards to any part of the clip almost immediately, with no buffering. For HD 720 and 1080 it was a little more difficult to maintain a constant picture.
Web HD 540 is the default streaming option, with the ability to stream higher spec videos in HD 720 or Full HD 1080. If you are used to HD, and prefer it, you will notice the difference between the older 480, and newer 720 or 1080 videos, but I think there is some worthwhile stuff in the lower 480 spec, and don't forget this is mainly a dvd site, so is therefore limited to that spec. The presence of good quality pictures makes you forget this is mainly a dvd site and should be judged as one, but also makes you wish they would shoot scenes for online, in true HD.
The fantastic photos here caught me entirely by surprise. They are done very professionally, like most things on this network, with some very good softcore posing followed by hardcore, along the same lines as Teen Core Club. What quality of photos you get for each scene however, is hit and miss. Some are great photo shoots with a great selection of photos, some only have a few, some are merely screenshots, and some have no photos or screenshots at all. The one big downside is they have no zipped photos. so you have to capture each one individually.
I quite liked the layout of the home pages, with attractive pictures showing the content of each clip. You can choose to view by clip, or filter to show each dvd, then look at each clip from that dvd. Many dvd's appear more than once on the sites. I found no videos or dvd's which weren't listed on the Fame Digital site, so I used that as my main base, using the individual sites as a kind of filter. Material is not exclusive, but updates are regular, with some of them being shot some time ago.
There's a good variety of material across the network: cream pie, anal, double anal, lesbian, tranny, gang bang, orgy, and many more, so although it is material from a single producer, there is enough variety to keep up interest. There is a good variety of shape, size, age, and colour of women too, although most of them do have that professional look. If there is any tendency here, it's towards anal.
At the time my membership ended they had 3764 dvd's on Fame Digital. Downloads were generally available in wmv or mp4 with older clips coming in at 480 and newer ones at 720 or 1080. I read bad things about their search facilities, but didn't use it. I didn't join for anything particular and was happy flitting about the place. Logging in is easy as it only requires your username and password, which is remembered across the network. I would consider the place to be consumer friendly if not for the dirty tricks. It took quite an effort to get them to confirm my cancellation. They practice pre checked cross selling and regional discrimination, so this is not a place I would normally visit, but for a fiver it was certainly worth it. If not for those dirty tricks I would be happy to pay for several months' membership.
Warning - this organisation does not register cancellations
A warning to anyone who may join a site from this organisation - they do not appear to register cancellations. For the second time in as many months, I had to go to live support to cancel my membership. They told me I did not receive a cancellation confirmation, because my cancellation had not been registered. I would suggest you cancel very close to joining, because it may well take some time and effort to cancel once you have joined.
I took up their $5/£5 discount offer even though they have pre checked cross selling and regional discrimination. The renewal is significantly higher, so I'm willing to steal at steal prices, but not willing to pay a fair price for reasonable content from organisations who are going to try and trick or cheat you. I can't argue with the content, and I can't argue with live support, who although it took some time to find someone available, were efficient once I contacted them.
I suppose the lesson is, if you are going to pay for membership to an organisation with questionable practices, you will have to be prepared to put in some time and effort to avoid being ripped off. Buyer beware.
Currently NETbilling/psnbilling is the top of the five options. Click the link. Alternatively they do have live support below those options and a "I don't know please help me," link.
Sites are currently not making it easy to cancel, which is not good, because every time I have problems it puts me off ever wanting to join a new site. Currently I cancel about three days after joining, just to make sure I have time dealing with any problems.
The trickery used nowadays is becoming harder to spot, and so nasty it's going to frighten off the porn fans who want quality over quantity and are still willing to pay for it.
Thanks for the warning. Very nice description of what happens. Some of these sites have the "spiv" attitude of any rip off artist on any London street. At least if anyone downloads free Elegant Angel material they do not have to feel guilty about doing so.
Was a member approx. 4 months prior to this review.
Pros:
Pretty, personable, girl next door types.
No tricks. No sign up to other sites. No automatically renewed subscription. What you see is what you get.
A variety of subscriptions available. You can buy a one week subscription for $15, there is a monthly one, or you can sign on for a whole year.
You can see stills of what you are going to download, so you can decide whether it's worth buying a subscription.
The site contains genuine, not faked enema scenes.
The girls seem to be having fun, which makes for a good atmosphere on the videos. The whole site has an atmosphere of people enjoying what they are doing.
Cons:
Not many girls. Most appear a number of times.
Video quality mostly only average, sometimes verging on good, sometimes on poor. (Dimensions 320 by 240).
A lot of the clips are samey, and unimagiative.
Only about 20 per cent of the clips at most have expulsion scenes. (For the uninitiated this is where you see what goes in, coming out.)
Bottom Line:
Okay, this site may well not be of interest to most people. It's really hard to mark accurately because it's part of a very small niche. The one I have given - 80 is purely subjective. If you're not interested in this subject matter it will be 0, but I am marking for those people who may be interested in this sort of thing. If you are, I think 80 is fair.
What you get for a one week subscription is a bunch of 6 clips. Each of these is broken down into smaller clips lasting usually about 10-20 minutes each. There can be between 4 to 6 of these smaller clips. Sometimes there can be as many as 9 or 10.
The bunches of clips are posted in rotation with the oldest being replaced each week by a new one. In addition to the 6 bunches, there is an additional bunch of clips posted for one week only. So basically you get 2 new bunches of clips each week if you are a permanent member. But if you wish, you can buy a one week subscription and download all 7 clips, then wait several weeks until there are all new clips and rejoin again for one week.
Yes I know this sort of thing is samey so why did I put this as a "con?" Well, given its subject matter it could still use an awful lot more imagination than it does. For instance Enemageddon (which I believe is down for the year) shows clips that are far more imaginative. The downside is that most of them are censored because they are from Japan.
One of the things I really like about the site though, is the way it does not try to trick you. It has the feel of someone doing something he loves and making some money out of it, but without trying to rip anyone off. No automatic renewals or any tricks to get more money out of you. The one time I couldn't sign in, it was dealt with in under 24 hours. So I like the customer service.
I had better mention as a warning that this is purely a site about the enema fetish. This means no sex scenes. It is why I didn't put this in as a "con." I didn't put the fact that there are no gardening tips in as a "con" either. Sex scenes generally aren't a part of this sort of site, but I thought I had better mention it anyway! Enemas.com does have more in the way of sex scenes and spanking, but I heard on here recently about a customer having trouble ending his subscription to Enemas.com. I do know that site has had trouble with trying to find billing agents. But I have never had any trouble with Enemarotica.
Enemarotica is one of those small niche sites run by someone who clearly cares about what he is doing and enjoys it. A lot of the girls are quite pretty but there are not many of them. Despite this, and despite the quality of the video clips, I find this a fun and enjoyable site.
Agree with the above two. I get tons of emails from them but at a fiver a throw I'm happy to get the emails because it means very substantial discounts. There is a link at the bottom of the emails to unsubscribe.
I agree with this. Given the amount of great material available at discount prices it's harsh to criticise. There's plenty available for my taste, and a lot of it, in my opinion, is top notch stuff.
For me the one big negative is regional discrimination. They mailed me with a $5 offer which ended up being £5, but at that rate I'm not boycotting. They offered a 3 month $29.95 discount which ended up being £29.95 in pounds, and that one I did boycott. At $5 or £5 it's incredible value.
Thanks Monahan. It's a cloudy area, with strange muddy cloudy thinking from governments (as always). If it's a US company selling to US customers I think they run the risk of being prosecuted. It's why Evil Angel censored the fisting scene. Fisting in porn is supposed to be breaking the American law.
It's an American site catering for American customers so they have to follow American laws. It keeps changing but my understanding of some of the current laws are that fist fucking is illegal in porn. So no fist is allowed to penetrate the ass or vagina. It can be penetrated by a telegraph pole size dildo but not a fist. Spanking is okay as long as it's not in a sexual context. It has to be spanking on it's own. Presumably that means spanking is okay as a violent punishment but not as an erotic or sexual turn on. They have the same sort of blurred thinking on enemas. Everything Butt and Evil Angel can show milk coming out of the ass, but not "milk and cookies." A lot fo people still think America has censorship free porn but it doesn't.
Another excellent review. This network is one I have tagged for my next membership, but I see you're not impressed with it. I quite liked some of the photos I have seen from this organisation as they have the whole girl in them rather than just bits. It's sometimes difficult to tell how good or bad a place is without joining, so thanks for the information.
I thought it worth mentioning because there is a difference for some consumers between condomed and non condomed porn, in the same way there's a difference between hardcore and softcore porn. A lot of porn consumers don't mind condomed sex at all, others do. I just thought it was worth mentioning though, because some may subscribe to a site they wouldn't consider worth the money.
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