Thanks RA, still waiting on a response. I sent the email to the email address their webmaster listed above around 9 PM EST last night and so far only an automated response. The biller from the best I can tell is echst.net, that was what concerned me when I saw it on my bank statement. On the other side of it, the card I used is through my local bank so I put the "approve before allowing purchases" on it temporarily. I'll give them a few more hours before replying to their webmaster in this section.
As a solo porn fan, I've always pushed for more eye contact from the model with the camera. Oddly enough, that is my version of virtual reality. The funny part is there's nothing more frustrating to me than a model who keeps looking at the camera in a scene that involves more than one model. This was one of the traits that I felt made Eve Angel the best solo performer. I later found out from a photographer named Peter who ran the old site Teen Models and worked for all of the big Euro sites that Eve's boyfriend at the time was often holding the camera and she would see the filming as a way to practice her seduction with him. Worked for me and it's mostly believable because if Eve was on another site (besides her own) she would struggle to have the same kind of eye contact.
It was the first time I've had this type of charge happen. I was a big part of that once hack of Teen Dreams where the webmaster blamed us all for sharing our passwords and banned us ... later apologized and reinstated everyone. The thing that really worried me is when I finally signed in to Bang Live, it said I had up to $225 of credits to use. I'm just now getting to email them to get it resolved and will post back and edit some of this if they get it fixed. I never could do those webcam shows. I remember when Eve Angel used to have live shows on her first site and you could chat with her but it didn't appeal to me for some reason.
I can tell you I hadn't ever heard of Bang Live until I went to echst(dot)net to see who was charging me. I then didn't know it was a cam site until I had to sign in on Bang Live (with the login from Bang) just to try and cancel it. I did list that wrong earlier. From what I can tell the Bang Live account is still active even though I went through the cancellation process. The main problem I've had with it is the email address that you said isn't being used. It was sent to me in an automated response when trying to cancel. I'll include a screenshot if it's allowed.
I'll accept that it could have been hacked.
I have a long history here at Porn Users, 11+ years, 300+ reviews of porn sites and one theme about me that's never changed is I am a collector. Cam sites wouldn't be something I would be interested in. I will accept that I could have clicked on a picture of a hot model thinking it was content but I still think you all have to set something up to send an email when someone joins a site, cam site. Here's the image if it will let me post it:
I agree about the possibilities of computer problems but there's still a few problems, including:
#1 No email to tell me I was signed up for Bang Live.
#2 The support email address returning my email.
#3 The cancellation page not having an instant cancel. It instead makes you sign in on Banglive.com then has you send the email to the wrong email address.
#4 Their Automated Response sending me an email address that their webmaster says isn't used for support. I'll drop a screenshot in an online photo album and include a link to it in the reply to their webmaster.
Being an overly-analytical person (I hate it), all these things went through my head before I decided to post the comment. And maybe most importantly, through all this, it still shows my account to BangLive as active despite me going through the cancellation process three times. It's hard to believe the same error is happening over and over. Their cancellation page has a clear "cancel" button but as mentioned above it then asks you to sign in. The initial problem was I never knew I was a member on Bang Live so I had no idea my login from Bang Prime was the same.
Thank you for the reply. I have had a rough few weeks, as seen by me looking at my bank account to even remember what sites I have memberships to. Bang seems like a reputable enough company to fix it but I would hope they look at the screenshot I include a link to and see that their site is sending people the wrong email address for support. Which to me shows a sloppiness that very easily could cause people to be charged for other upsells without verifying they want the upsell and without sending them an email to tell them they joined an upsell.
I would do what I did before I discovered porn. Watch regular mainstream television and hope for a hard nipple or cameltoe or nice butt. Then I'd just wait for the world of rebels to figure out the next big thing. Maybe it would be candid videos from beaches or dressed women telling about their favorite way to tease a man? We're too creative and rebellious of a society to say "Okay, no more sexual content of any kind." Maybe I would finally write those Erotica books I've been talking about for 20 years?
I believe in the ability to fantasize swinging WITH your spouse or significant other but don't think the actual action of it helps. The fantasy of it can often bring out emotions that we struggle with and if done together, it can build a new level of trust but shouldn't be done if either person is insecure.
Thank you, good intuition, I used to be a psychologist and do work in a college now. Sometime in the future, I'll most likely try out being a professor. I try to be as informative and straight-forward as possible in my reviews.
Thanks for the added part. I didn't even realize the Hookup Hotshot content was on EA. I have a strange aversion to anything that comes close to puking in my porn and know that Gozzling has had content that has it in it. It's one of those great mysteries. I got near death drunk when I was a teenager. Spent a whole day and night in the ER, eating charcoal, with a bucket between my legs and a cop standing there the whole time. Kind of funny now since the cops worked in shifts. Once I had everything out of me, the on-duty cop was an older man, he looked at me and said, "Son, I think you've learned your lesson. I'm not going to arrest you." I haven't thrown up since then (26 years). Some say I show signs of Emetophobia but it doesn't bother me like say in The Walking Dead or when someone I care about throws up. When I see it in porn, it agitates me. It's possible, from my use of imagination with porn, that I look at porn in a more glamorous way and the addition of something coming up ruins that for me.
I was recently factory resetting my PC. It had some strange glitch that was saying my G: drive was running out of space. I don't have a G: drive. It was popping up about every 10 minutes. My PC originally was a Windows 8.1 PC. I had used the free upgrade to Windows 10 about two or three years ago. I was worried about resetting since I was thinking it would put it back as a Windows 8.1. So, I followed Microsoft's advice and made a digital backup of my Windows 10 software on an external hard drive. Once it reset, something was wrong, it was still Windows 10. Turns out to be that once you have Windows 10, your PC knows it and remembers it so it resets to Windows 10. I then hooked the external back up with the Windows digital backup copy on it to find out when I saved the digital backup to it, it reformatted the external, wiping out 4 TB of porn. So, I lost all that porn but really, it wasn't any of my most favorite scenes.
It's interesting because I lived in Los Angeles County up until 2013. One of my biggest concerns about moving was finding a cable company similar to Time Warner. I moved over 2,500 miles, right along the NE Tennessee/Virginia/North Carolina border in the mountainous area. I moved out here because I got a divorce and because my sister-in-law told me she was putting my nephews up for adoption. My brother, their dad, passed away when the boys were toddlers. So, I moved out here to try and get away from the fast life in LA and to adopt my nephews. I knew they watched a lot of television (teenagers), used the internet a lot and streamed movies. When I got out here I had 3 choices: Charter, Comcast and some company called Century Link. I went with Charter. They only had 30Mbps internet but their cable was a lot better than the other two. It went up to 50 Mbps right before they bought Time Warner and created Spectrum. Their customer service is similar. My newest bundle has telephone included. Which is more useful than I thought it would be. Works well for keeping my nephews off cellphones while at home and is at least teaching them to talk to people with their mouth. I talked to Spectrum just after sending this. They said the 100 Mbps is the slowest in my region but that 2/3 of the city still only gets 60 Mbps. The customer service will argue with me for 30 minutes on the phone but the people in the office are very nice. This is a progressive southern metro that's the same size as the Atlanta metro. Most everyone out here is very nice in person. I do have fiber optic internet at work but haven't really been able to test it since they wouldn't be too happy if I started downloading porn lol.
The only things I really miss about LA, are the weather (it's -5 to 95 with 100% humidity here), the pretty women everywhere (more laid-back, conservative business women here) and Tommy Burgers and In-N-Out Burgers (they actually have a restaurant here called Pal's Burgers that is based on Tommy Burgers but they're not quite as good, still not bad.)
Thank you,
I usually look over the cookie cutter parts. I know back 10 years ago, when the Euro scene was taking over, they had zero plot and were still my favorite sites. Fitness Rooms interested me because, first, the site is based around pretty women exercising in workout clothes. I like to see the models clothed before nude. The only problem was they remove the taking clothes off part. The models will be clothed and exercising then an edit pops in and they're suddenly naked.
I remember being a member on Dane Jones years ago and unless my memory isn't working good, I could have sworn it was a solo site back then. I think I've become almost as picky as messmer. I don't really like anal, don't really like the sex that pushes a softer, romantic side but it really shouldn't be a surprise since for the first few years on PU, I almost exclusively joined solo masturbation/tease sites.
And on the other reply it was a mistake on my part. I also have Spectrum at 100Mbps and the downloads on here were varying between 2MBps and 15MBps. The 15MBps is unmatched, that's the highest I ever get. I'm usually in the 11-12 MBps range. Of course, when I'm used to 11-12 MBps, dropping me to 2 MBps is a big change.
Does Spectrum upgrade your speed? I haven't ever paid more than whatever the basic internet speed is that they sell. This one I currently have is listed as 50Mbps on my contract but they sent a postcard a few months ago that said I had been upgraded to 100Mbps with no raise in price. I wondered if it is because I download so much and stream television.
That's interesting, I put strapon.xxx in my search bar and it opened Sexy Hub. I checked all of the sites they have listed as add-on or upgrade options but there's no strapon.xxx. I also did a standard search for "Strap on" and there are 21 scenes that came up, of course, if the word "strap on" isn't in the scenes title, it won't show those. Of the 21, 6 are on girlfriends.xxx and 15 are on Lesbea. I found the bonus channels and there is a lesbian one there but I selected "MILF" as my bonus so it won't let me see the lesbian one unless I pay for the upgrade.
Of the 21 scenes, all are two women, lesbian scenes. None with men but interestingly enough, the search for "strap on" brought up 9 models and 3 are guys but the scenes these guys have don't have strap-ons in them. I did find a few tube sites that had content from strapon.xxx but none of those scenes look familiar. They have other networks too, besides the obvious ones like Brazzers and Mofos. They also have Fake Hub network which is very similar to Sexy Hub. Oh and I clicked on the locked bonus icon, it offers access to "thousands" of bonus scenes for $1. It can be confusing in the member section. I'll keep an eye out for that content and let you know if I find any.
Lee Stone. I once wrote in a review that Lee Stone annoyed me more than any porn star and said I would stop joining their site if they didn't cut back on his appearances. Once that didn't work, I started referring to him in my other reviews as "Ol' Broke Dick". There's several Eva Angeline scenes with him that he completely ruins.
Surewood has one advantage, he is always cast with those sweet, innocent models but I haven't seen a lot of him. I had to look him up.
I don't recognize Keiran Lee.
I think JMac and Johnny Sins are very similar. Most of the negativity towards them is how many scenes they are seen in. I remember JMac once saying in a scene that he had filmed 4 scenes in 3 hours. I have heard that Sins has something new going on with his wife that annoys people.
Never heard a bad thing about Ron Jeremy. The female models seem to adore him. That is the guy who once said, "I was willing to shoot porn with a bag over my head."
The two that I thought of are Pierre Woodman and James Deen.
I think there's a big fine line with it.
Some of the first porn I remember watching online was supposed to be white women who were cheated on and a group of 3-4 black guys would go to her house, tie her husband/boyfriend up and make him watch them have sex with her. They had a believable setup but really, would a man who was "beaten", tied up and forced to watch not call the police afterwards or look for his own revenge? I'm pretty sure the guys in this were from what we now know as Dogfart. And if it didn't become unbelievable enough, they always made sure the white guy was a southern type, confederate flag shirt on and so on.
The newer kind I've seen, it's often a woman who was cheated on by her husband then she calls her hot friend to come over and they make a video of their wild night of lesbian sex. It's filled with quotes like, "See, if you hadn't cheated, we were going to give you a threesome." Which I think implies she was already having the lesbian sex or that they were planning it.
The closest I've seen to very believable is the kind that look like an amateur video, camera bouncing every which way and I don't think any of those are on legitimate porn sites.
I don't usually find the thought of it as a turn-on. But if I do, I just use my imagination.
I think you might be thinking too much. In my reviews, I try to include options and advice for everyone not just experienced porn users. Have to remember a lot of the newer porn users are still getting so excited they are falling for cross sales, so there's no way they're going to remember a process to get to the secondary biller. I will tell you this, Bang Bros is getting smart to it. I already had a membership to Bang Bros and was trying to add the upgrade package. They took me to a payment page, I did the wrong expiration date trick and they booted me back out. It gave me a page about calling to upgrade my membership across the phone. A customer service rep is the one who gave me the advice on using a prepaid card. He said when a person joins a recurring membership site, the biller has no way to know how much money is on the customer's card but that the biller knows if the card can be charged again when it recurs. He said to get a prepaid card with the exact amount of a subscription plus 1 cent. That 1 cent is enough to fool the biller into thinking it's a debit card and not a prepaid card.
Several examples:
One of my all-time favorite models has always been known as "April Flowers" to me but Vivid has shortened her name to just "April", do you know how many models there are named April (something)?
Another Vivid though not as common of a name is Raylene. I do know there's a Raylene Richards in porn who isn't the same as VividRaylene and they're both busty, curvy, models.
We also had that phase where models were being named Indya and Chyna. Had to study a map to figure out who was who.
I checked on the Team Skeet upgrades, by accident, I clicked on a Family Strokes scene which is in the upgrades. The pricing to add those looks unusual. It offered me three options:
Add Family Strokes for $18
Sign up for Family Strokes and Team Skeet for 365 days for $9.95 a month
Add Team Skeet Upgraded for $8.95/mo for a year.
I feel more confused than I was. Looks like the best deal would be to add upgraded for a year but I wouldn't do that. I could download everything in the upgrades in less than a month.
I think my reviews were getting stale and redundant, tried to throw some humor in, glad it worked. I usually run out of characters and have to cut parts out to make the character limit and the humor parts are the first to go. I hadn't seen that topic but will post on it. I use several different techniques to help when I get bored with porn. Part of what helps me currently is I don't have the time I used to have and its caused me to change how I browse, choose what to download and what to watch. I used to be able to rely on one model like Eve Angel to snap me out of a porn rut but now it's more based on certain niches. I'll post on that topic in the forum. Thanks for the compliments.
The upgrade sites mostly update every other week, the two most popular, Family Strokes and Sis Loves Me are updating once a week but I still don't know if you get all the upgrade sites for $18 or if you have to pay $18 for each. Each one has a button that says, "Upgrade now for $18". I've been burned too often by those type of buttons. I did join Family Strokes a few months ago and it was a full-paid site with no bonus sites. I don't think any of the sites would be worth $18 each, Family Strokes has the most content of the upgrade sites and it only has 147 scenes. Most are under 100 and a handful are under 50. I will say those upgrade sites seem to have more time put into the scenes, the stories, the length of scenes, the more niche-style content like mutual masturbation leading to someone walking in and turning it into an threesome.
Looking at all the sites, Team Skeet as a whole averages 1 update per day across the network. The updates section is a Team Skeet update then one of the upgrade site's update, so it should be the same frequency as a whole. I agree on the Black Valley Girls, it looks like they've just put a certain uniform type outfit on each and are claiming Valley Girls. Oye Loca review should be up in the next few hours.
I think back around 2000, basing that one who I was in a relationship with at the time, I walked into a very busy mainstream video rental store with the intentions of buying a porn VHS that was "The Best of Vivid" it came with two VHS tapes, nearly 8 hours. They had a rack of plastic carry bags to put porn in so other customers wouldn't have to see the nude covers on the boxes. No bags on the rack. I still had my nerve up and that rush that came from buying porn tapes. I went into the back room and picked it up. Walked to the register with it against my side. The lady rang it up. This was back when check/debit cards were first becoming common. I handed mine to her. She says, "Uh-Oh, our reader can't read this." The tape laying there on the counter for all other customers to see. Luckily, I had some cash with me, it was something like $45 with tax. My then wife said she didn't like porn. Until she saw The Watcher series. I bought 5 of those directly from a mail order catalog at the video store. Featured on the best of were all those I named off in the review. And one of the other big selling points to me were the anti-facial cumshots. I've noticed that women prefer those. Sadly, when we got divorced, she threw them in the dumpster lol.
I think political discussions are a bad idea.
I think members hijacking a thread to turn a discussion into something much more political is a really bad idea.
I think members not having respect for other members opinions is where things get off track.
But no, I don't think political discussions should be banned.
It kind of reminds me of the gay reviewers we have had on here and the straight reviewer who liked transsexual porn and reviewed transsexual sites. You can see that none of them are active anymore. It's an unenviable situation to be on a forum or site that allows freedom of expression because so many people, especially Americans, don't think those who are different than them should have freedom of expression.
But, as Khan used to say, most of us members land on the pornusers (dotcomslash) home site. We don't see the PU agreed 7 rules that we saw the first time we came here. Those are at pornusers.com and he always pointed out #5.
"5. I believe in the freedom of expression provided for in the Constitution of the United States of America."
I think that answers if anything should ever banned. Members are supposed to agree to those 7 rules before entering.
Forgot to say, there's also an European version on Cum Louder called, Latin Asses in Public. Cum Louder has changed a lot and it's kind of hard to find but it's under "sites" in the preview. They seemed to knock off nearly every popular niche site from Bang Bros and Brazzers.
That's one of the old hidden gem sites. I checked my folder just to see and I actually have 74 videos from Asses In Public. I remember they had to remove a bunch of them. When it was running full-speed, I honestly thought it would end up being one of the greatest porn sites.
My uncle lived with us. We had this VCR that he acted like was a pot of gold. It was a Beta and he had 6-8 Beta porn tapes. Which is why it was a pot of gold. He didn't have any other porn and had to keep the Beta player protected to watch them on. Of course, once I figured this out he bribed me with full access to it anytime I wanted to use it if I didn't tell my mom.
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